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    Boeing's MCAS (maneuvering characteristics augmentation system) and the Lion Air 737,..

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    Boeing's MCAS (maneuvering characteristics augmentation system) and the Lion Air 737,..

    Post by ddavid on Fri Nov 16, 2018 11:28 am

    It seems that Boeing did not disclose details of the 'new' MCAS (maneuvering characteristics augmentation system) system in their 737 Max 8, and this omission may have contributed to the recent crash of Lion Air:

    https://www.flyingmag.com/lion-air-investigation-takes-an-unexpected-turn?enews111518

    In the above text, it says that:

    1. MCAS is implemented on the 737 MAX to enhance pitch characteristics with flaps UP and at elevated angles of attack. The MCAS function commands nose down stabilizer to enhance pitch characteristics during steep turns with elevated load factors and during flaps up flight at airspeeds approaching stall.

    2. MCAS is activated without pilot input and only operates in manual, flaps up flight.

    It has been reported that this function has not been part of any training for 737 Max 8 crews - if this is true, then Boeing may have a big problem on their hands...

    Cheers - Dai.
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    Re: Boeing's MCAS (maneuvering characteristics augmentation system) and the Lion Air 737,..

    Post by Admin on Mon Nov 19, 2018 6:14 pm

    been reading more about this, I can see Boeing getting into very hot water and expensive law suits over this
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    Re: Boeing's MCAS (maneuvering characteristics augmentation system) and the Lion Air 737,..

    Post by Admin on Tue Nov 27, 2018 9:41 am

    Boeing test pilots discovered during the pre-production test flight, that 737MAX8 was difficult to handle when its speed dropped below a certain point. At certain speed, aircraft enters into an aerodynamic stall, and loss of control that could lead to a crash.

    In order to mitigate the problem, Boeing introduced a new system called Maneuvering Characteristics Augmentation System,(MCAS). Pilots flying more than 200 MAX8s in service, claim that they were unaware of MCAS.

    The MCAS system came to media attention after Boeing released a Bulletin on MCAS, after the Lion Air 737MAX8 Flight 610 crash investigation began.

    The Aerodynamic stall issue started when Boeing adopted new larger and fuel efficient engines for 737MAX8. The 737MAX8 structural design was originated from 1960s 737 design. The 737s sits lower to the ground (short landing gear) than other Boeing models. To install larger engines without making a major design change, Boeing engineers, moved the engines slightly forward, and lifted it up and lengthen the nose landing gear by 8 inch. The location of the engines caused an upward pitching movement at certain airspeed and triggered aerodynamic stall. To solve the issue, Boeing introduced MCAS under part 25 certification.

    The 737s were designed to sit lower so that baggage and cargo to be hand-loaded from the tarmac without mechanical assistance., because Boeing’s intention was to bring jet services for small airports that were not fully equipped to load cargo. However, this innovation swiftly became pointless as airports became better equipped.
    Since 737 became the best-selling single-aisle jet in history and Boeing’s most enduring cash cow, Boeing decided to introduce variants without making major design change.

    Normally an aerodynamic stall is indicated by “stick shake” and pilots are trained to instinctively increase speed and push the nose down to recover stability.. but Boeing decided to Automate the stall recovery by introducing MCAS, that will sense the stall and moves the horizontal stabilizer to pitch down the nose. Engineers apparently did not anticipate the possibility of other inputs, in this case, angle of attack sensor, could initiate the MCAS, unknown to pilots.

    Though pilots claim that they are unaware of MCAS, most of the Automated systems are not revealed to pilots as they not required to understand or even know about – unless they turn out to have a potentially dangerous role in some circumstances.

    Who is flying the plane? the systems or human… the debate goes on…
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    Re: Boeing's MCAS (maneuvering characteristics augmentation system) and the Lion Air 737,..

    Post by ddavid on Tue Nov 27, 2018 2:54 pm

    I'm tempted to ask whether PMDG will include the MCAS function in their potential B737 MAX-8 release, but that would deflect from the seriousness of the accusations being thrown at Boeing over this:

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/before-fatal-lion-air-crash-boeings-new-jet-hit-problem-in-tests

    Seriously, did Boeing not consider the impact of not highlighting the new anti-stall mechanism? I don't understand.

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    Re: Boeing's MCAS (maneuvering characteristics augmentation system) and the Lion Air 737,..

    Post by ddavid on Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:28 pm

    Just bumping this post as the FAA have finally grounded B737 Max's in the U.S., following actions across the globe.

    It's quite worrying that many pilot organisations in the U.S. were happy to fly the Max - did they have information the Ethiopian pilots didn't?

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